spoonerisms » women in games… what’s the question again?
Spoon wrote about girls in gaming. I figured I’d relate my own experience on the subject since I play a lot of them.
When I moved in with my girlfriend (now fiance) I had to undertake a campaign to make sure that there wouldn’t be an issue when I needed playstation/counter strike/etc time - or as I usually call it now
“I’m going to go kill some people - I’ll be done in an hour”
I’ve tried to show her the joy of the FPS - but it’s not really her bag. I though she would like Prince of Persia - which is just amazing - but I think she found it more confusing than fun.
I was really really hoping that she would get into and enjoy GTA:San Andreas - but no luck (based on comment below I’ll be trying this again this holiday weekend)
There are a number of games that I used to rehabilitate my fiance’s view of the ps2 from intense time/space waster to cherished member of the family.
1. Tetris - Must have all girls will play this - especially because I suck at it
2. Bust-A-Move - See above
3. Katamari Demacy - she likes the puzzle fun time - I enjoy reaking havoc on villages.
The next two are not only fun, non-threating, but useful at parties if you need to make your guests look ridiculous
4. Eye Toy - I like killing ninjas - she likes washing windows
5. Kareoke - yes - girls like to sing - I’m crap - but people enjoy my rendetion of Toxic by Britney Spears.
We ended up getting into poker and I found a cheap app that you can run on the lan and play against each other as well as AI opponets
6. Something you can play together - in this case poker.
Why don’t girls game? Well - I suppose part of it is that it just isn’t as much a part of their growing up as it is for boys. That’s probably changing but I don’t know how fast.
Also, I think it’s kind of silly to beat up on an entire industry because they haven’t figured it out yet. I mean you don’t hear the NFL complaining because a majority of their fans, players, and owners are all men.
Which is pretty much my parallel for the gaming world. Except they would like to get more girls since that would mean a heck of a lot more money - (Sims is a perfect example).
Personally I think it’s going to take more girls getting more involved on the production side to improve the number of girls on the play side. So often the “girl games” produced by male programmers try to cater to the worst stereotypes of female attitudes. So my advice is if you have a daughter encourage her to become a software developer…..
May 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
I’ve never gotten to play GTA. :(
May 27th, 2005 at 10:32 pm
I don’t buy the “more girls in production” argument because I don’t think this is strictly a gender issue. Mainly because 1) I can think of 10 women I know who play FPSs (and of those 4 will completely 0wn j00 while still carrying on a conversation about how stupid their boyfriend/husband is for forgetting to feed cat with someone else on ventrilo), 2) good examples of “gender neutral games” like The Sims, Tetris, and such were designed and developed by the XY chromosome crowd, and 3) there are a number of games out there with women who are invovled with the design, development, and marketing of video games already.
In fact, the woman at the center of the debate who sparked my question, Sanya Brown, works for Mythic on Dark Ages of Camelot.
I think the problem is that games beyond the twitch-and-flick genre just aren’t getting any love from the game companies because it’s a formula driven industry… just like the music industry. If Brittney Spears sells well, then the execs say, “Hey, people want perky young blondes who whine about how everyone treats them like a little girl…. get me 50 more of those and let’s flood the market!” In the same vein, “Hey, people like shooting Nazis…. get me 20 more WWII titles!”
The majority of the game shops out there seem to be serving only a minority of their customers. One option in this environment is to wade into the field of shops who are feeding this frenzy (by doing something like Punkbuster or Grey Matter and picking a specialty area to focus on ), but I also think there’s an opportunity to do some good (and make some cash) by setting up an original game that doesn’t follow the current formula.
May 27th, 2005 at 11:20 pm
1 - 10 women out of all the women you know do FPS - my point exactly - most women don’t like FPS nor will they.
2. You do have me there - men are able to make games that women like - tetris being a perfect example .
3. Yes - although I did read a great article where they talked about some women in the game industry are even worse about trying to cater to female stereo types than men.
I guess I would file this under the argument for better movies.
If you look at mainstream movies they are by and large crap. Not to say I don’t enjoy that crap - but most of them are not going to be worth watching in 5 years let along 50 years from now.
If your argument is that game companies don’t take enough risk by trying new formulas - you’re exactly right. But that isn’t because their crazy - it seems to be driven by the fact that building a game is time consuming and expensive and getting it marketed, distributed, and promoted out there if it is new and differnet is *VERY HARD*. And when investors have a choice most don’t like taking a path that means if they succeed they are going to hit big but mostly they are just going to fail.
Independant film has exploded as a market - not because the studios got smarter - but because there was an opportunity and people took chances and now it’s a bone fide opportunity.
The problem it seems currently is that although you can start making independent film pretty cheaply thanks to the wonders of DV - independant game development isn’t that simple. it seems like you need a lot of tech as well as a team of people with a heck of a lot of different skills. (True for movies as well but there are more ways to get around this).
So I guess if you want to see more original game content out there - find ways to lower the barrier to entry for development,design, and distrobution. That way the people out there who have the great ideas for fresh games can get them made without waiting for the Man to wake up and support their ideas.
May 28th, 2005 at 10:51 am
My argument isn’t that the game industry doesn’t take enough risk. In fact, I’m claiming the opposite: That there is indeed a variety of games out there, but we (the consumers) tend to forget about them because of all the hype surrounding the latest FPS.
Given that the variety is there, then what I want to know is “So what’s the problem exactly?” Is it that even with different types of games available there’s still nothing in there that would appeal to the female gamer, or are people just upset that crap games like Brother in Arms and Area 51 get more attention due to the money chests behind their advertising campaigns?
Using the movies as an analogy: would you say there’s a problem in the movie industry because Star Wars is the only thing playing, or is the problem that something like Bubba Hotep has to play in smaller venues like the Alamo Drafthouse for 4 months before anyone will even consider playing it the Embassy 14?
If it’s the latter, than there’s not much to be done about it beyond convincing enough people to start watching indie films that theaters get interested in showing them. In the case of video games, if the problem is simply that female-friendly games just need more attention, then again it’s a matter of getting enough people playing them to get the game publishers interested in funding and distributing them.
As for the high cost of game development, I’d point out that the cost and time are due to the complexity of the art involved in producing a modern commercial game. Although the D3 engine was ready to go in 2002, it was another 2 years before the models and sounds were finished and the game could be mastered and sent to Best Buy. If a game that would appeal to both men and women doesn’t need to focus on that sort of detailed graphics development (like tetris), then the cost and time to produce the game can be cut down dramatically and indeed make it possible for a “kid in a garage” to put it together.
Which brings us back to the reason I’m asking what the problem is in the first place. :)
If what’s “missing” is just a good puzzle / trivia / side-scroller-like-kings-quest game, then hell. I can do that.
If what’s missing is Half-Life 2 with a female lead, then oh well… time to find another idea.
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